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Old 11-27-2009, 10:59 AM   #1
Lani
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to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or d/cd

AIs and went on tamoxifen

1)there seems to be more effect on bone the longer you are on AIs

2)there seems to be no difference between femara and arimidex (letrozole and anastrozole )

3)it seems to be better for your bones to have started on an AI then to have started on an tamoxifen and have switched to an AI

4)There seems to be more benefit for your bones to switch to tamoxifen after being on an AI

these judgements/conclusions were made by the researches based on biomarkers of bone turnover, not xrays or history of fracture it seems--will read further...

Breast Cancer Res Treat. 2009 Nov 26. [Epub ahead of print]
A study of the effects of the aromatase inhibitors anastrozole and letrozole on bone metabolism in postmenopausal women with estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer.
McCaig FM, Renshaw L, Williams L, Young O, Murray J, Macaskill EJ, McHugh M, Hannon R, Dixon JM.

Breakthrough Research Unit, Edinburgh Breast Unit, Western General Hospital, Edinburgh, EH4 2XU, Scotland, UK.
ALIQUOT (Anastrozole vs. Letrozole, an Investigation of Quality Of Life and Tolerability) was a prospective, open-label, randomized pharmacodynamic study designed to assess the effects of aromatase inhibitors (AIs) on bone turnover in healthy postmenopausal women with estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer. Ninety-four patients were randomized to receive either 12 weeks of letrozole (2.5 mg; n = 42) followed by 12 weeks of anastrozole (1 mg), or 12 weeks of anastrozole (1 mg; n = 42) followed by 12 weeks of letrozole (2.5 mg). After completion of the study period, patients in the immediate adjuvant group were either switched to tamoxifen (n = 38) or continued on anastrozole or letrozole. In the beginning of the study, 42 patients had taken tamoxifen within 3 months. Patients taking drugs likely to affect bone metabolism, including bisphosphonates, were excluded. Eighty-four patients had complete sample measurements and were included in the analysis. Prior tamoxifen therapy resulted in a significantly lower mean baseline procollagen type 1 N-terminal propeptide (PINP) compared with patients with no prior tamoxifen. There were no significant differences in bone markers between AIs at any time. By 6 months, significant increases were seen in PINP, C-terminal telopeptides (CTX), bone specific alkaline phosphatise (ALP), and urinary N-terminal telopeptides (NTX). Patients with prior tamoxifen had significantly greater increases than patients with no prior tamoxifen. Patients treated with 3 months of tamoxifen following 6 months of an AI showed a significant decrease in markers of bone resorption, serum CTX and urinary NTX. In conclusion, AI-induced bone turnover increases over time. Anastrozole and letrozole produce similar effects on bone metabolism and turnover. Stopping tamoxifen therapy and starting AIs results in a significantly greater increase in bone turnover compared with commencing AIs in tamoxifen-naïve patients. Patients given tamoxifen following AI therapy showed a decrease in markers of bone resorption.

PMID: 19941160 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:45 AM   #2
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

Thanks much for your post. I have been wondering about this issue.
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Old 11-27-2009, 03:37 PM   #3
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

Thanks Lani, I only took tamox for six weeks before my ooph and have been on arimidex ever since. My last dexa showed improvement from the first one, but bone health is always a worry when taking an A1.
Thanks for finding the info!
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June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:41 PM   #4
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

My onc said exactly the opposite: he said I should take Tamoxifen for a year to build up the bones then switch to an AI. The AI would reduce bone density, he said, but I would be back to where I was when I began Tamoxifen after taking an AI for a few years.

Geez. Is nothing simple?

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Old 11-27-2009, 05:31 PM   #5
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

I had a bad bone density the first year but increased my exercise (walking and swimming ) and the following year my dexa showed good improvement. I also stopped fosamax that year due to nausea issues.
Can it be that simple?? Just to increase exercise, anyone else had this same thing happen?
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Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
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2014 Normal Dexa scan
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:47 PM   #6
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

Tricia,
Thought you would find this article interesting while waiting for an answer:
HEALTH | November 11, 2009
Well: Phys Ed: The Best Exercises for Healthy Bones
By GRETCHEN REYNOLDS
Researchers readily admit that they don't fully understand why some exercise is good for bones and some just isn't.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/1...ones/?emc=eta1
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Old 11-28-2009, 08:43 AM   #7
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Re: to those taking AIs, especially those who started on tamoxifen, switched AIs, or

Thanks Karen, I knew exercise was beneficial for all after bc but amazed the difference it made to my poor bones
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A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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