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Old 07-09-2010, 01:14 AM   #1
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for those taking tamoxifen, generic tam associated w joint pains, brand-name isn't!

The Use of Nolvadex in the Treatment of Generic Tamoxifen-Associated Small Joint Arthralgia
Breast. 2010 Jun 1;19(3):243-245, NS Blencowe, C Reichl, J Gahir, I Paterson


ABSTRACT

Introduction: Small joint arthralgia has been anecdotally reported for many years by women taking generic Tamoxifen (gT). However, it is a symptom that is absent from the side effect profile of the original Tamoxifen preparation Nolvadex. Our aim was to determine the prevalence of arthralgia in Tamoxifen users and to investigate whether it was associated with the excipient profile of the newer, generic formulations of Tamoxifen.

Methods: Women diagnosed with oestrogen receptor positive breast cancer between 2001 and 2005 were eligible. Those with new-onset arthralgia following commencement of gT were entered into a one year double crossover study. Patients were swapped from gT to Nolvadex for 6 months, the response noted, and then swapped back to gT for 6 months.

Results: Of 1020 new breast cancer patients, 918 (90%) were oestrogen receptor (OR) positive and were started on gT as part of their treatment. Of those, a total of 121 (13.2%) suffered with arthralgia. All 121 patients agreed to enter the study and swap treatment to Nolvadex for 6 months 114 patients (94.2%) had resolution of their arthralgia whilst on Nolvadex (p < 0.05).

Conclusion: Our findings suggest that there is an arthralgia syndrome which is prevalent in women taking generic Tamoxifen preparations. Symptoms are abolished when Nolvadex is used instead of gT. This suggests that the excipient profiles are an important factor. We hypothesise that either the excipient profile of gT induces arthralgia, or an unknown excipient of Nolvadex has a protective effect.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:44 AM   #2
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Re: for those taking tamoxifen, generic tam associated w joint pains, brand-name isn'

Ok...so this begs the question of whether they are equally effective.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:26 AM   #3
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Re: for those taking tamoxifen, generic tam associated w joint pains, brand-name isn'

Which, correctly or not, has always been my concern with generics...
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Nov'03~ dX stage 2B
Dec'03~
Rt side mastectomy, Her2+, ER/PR+, 10 nodes out, one node positive
Jan'04~
Taxotere/Adria/Cytoxan x 6, NED, no Rads, Tamox. 1 year, Arimadex 3 mo., NED 14 mo.
Sept'05~
micro mets lungs/chest nodes/underarm node, Switched to Aromasin, T/C/H x 7, NED 6 months - Herceptin only
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micro mets chest nodes, & bone spot @ C3 neck, Added Taxol to Herceptin
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Apr'07~
MRI - two 9mm brain mets & 5 punctates, new left chest met, & small increase of bone spot C3 neck, Stopped Aromasin
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Started Tykerb/Xeloda, no WBR for now
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MRI - stable brain mets, no new mets, 9mm spots less enhanced, CA15.3 down 45.5 to 9.3 in 10 wks, Ty/Xel working magic!
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MRI - brain mets shrunk half, NO NEW BRAIN METS!!, TMs stable @ 9.2
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PET/CT & MRI show NED
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scans still show NED in the head, small bone spot on right iliac crest (rear pelvic bone)
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MRI shows activity in brain mets, completed 5 fractions/5 consecutive days of IMRT to zap the pesky buggers
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:31 AM   #4
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Re: for those taking tamoxifen, generic tam associated w joint pains, brand-name isn'

I haven't seen anything suggesting different formulations in generics.
Something to think about as Arimidex and Xeloda go generic.
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