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Old 07-14-2012, 08:47 PM   #1
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Zometa inf

Hi Ladies,

I have just moved interstate and have a new onc who I have not met yet but who called me the other day to discuss my Zometa infusions. I have had 1 inf and was scheduled to have 2 x yearly and was very happy with this decision after seeing on here others having the same.

However I am now in West Australia and they do not recognise this treatment method for Osteopena (sp?). The onc is going to contact my old onc to discuss reasoning and has said if I really want to continue he will but says the trials are not supporting its use for either assisstance with bone density or the slight reduction of bone mets occurance?

Any advice would be gratefully received

Thanks

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Left mastectomy Dec '10, 6cm tumour 1 of 2 lymph (micro mets)
Clear margins but lymphovasculer invasion
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Fec 100 x 3 Jan '11 Taxotere X 3 and Herceptin X 1yr
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Start Femara - in chemo induced menapause
25 Rads June '11
Dec '11 Menstruation resumed - zoladex inj monthly and Tamoxifen
Feb '12 Back on Femera and Zoladex
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:12 PM   #2
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Re: Zometa inf

Hi Jenny,

Hope the following two abstracts will be of help:

J Natl Cancer Inst. 2012 Jul 2. [Epub ahead of print]
Effects of Bone-Targeted Agents on Cancer Progression and Mortality.
Coleman R, Gnant M, Morgan G, Clezardin P.
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Affiliations of authors: Academic Unit of Clinical Oncology, Weston Park Hospital, Cancer Research United Kingdom (CR-UK)/Yorkshire Cancer Research (YCR) Sheffield Cancer Research Centre Sheffield, UK (RC); Medizinische Universität Wien, Universitätsklinik für Chirurgie Vienna, Austria (MG); Institute of Cancer Research, Royal Marsden National Health Service Foundation Trust London, UK (GM); Inserm, Faculté de Médecine Lyon-Est (domaine Laennec) Lyon, France (PC).
Abstract
Bone-targeted treatments with bisphosphonates and denosumab, which reduce bone resorption, are known to reduce the risk of skeletal complications and prevent treatment-induced bone loss in patients with malignant bone disease. Additionally, these drugs may modify the course of bone destruction via inhibitory effects on the "vicious cycle" of growth factor and cytokine signaling between tumor and bone cells within the bone marrow microenvironment. Effects of the drugs on the stem cell niche, direct effects on the cancer cells, and immune modulation may also contribute. In early-stage (stages I, II, and III) breast cancer, treatment with the bisphosphonate zoledronic acid has shown improvements in disease-free and overall survival. Improved survival was particularly notable in women with established menopause at diagnosis and in premenopausal women with endocrine-responsive disease who received treatment with goserelin, which suppresses ovarian function by inhibiting the production of ovarian hormones. Additionally, in castrate-resistant prostate cancer, treatment with denosumab delays the development of bone metastases. These results strongly support the adjuvant use of bone-targeted treatments but suggest that reproductive hormones are an important treatment modifier to take into account. In advanced-stage (stage IV, ie, metastatic) cancers, survival benefits have been observed in patients with multiple myeloma and in patients with other solid tumors with rapid rates of bone destruction who received treatment with zoledronic acid. Here, we have critically reviewed the increasing evidence to support a disease-modifying effect of bone-targeted treatment and discussed the impact on clinical management


Ann Oncol. 2012 Jun 22. [Epub ahead of print]
The impact of menopause on bone, zoledronic acid, and implications for breast cancer growth and metastasis.
Hadji P, Coleman R, Gnant M, Green J.
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Department of Gynecology, Endocrinology, and Oncology, Philipps-University of Marburg, Marburg, Germany.
Abstract
Recent data from the AZURE, ABCSG-12, and ZO-FAST clinical trials have challenged our understanding of the potential anticancer activity of zoledronic acid (ZOL). Although the results of these studies may appear to be conflicting on the surface, a deeper look into commonalities among the patient populations suggest that some host factors (i.e. patient age and endocrine status) may contribute to the anticancer activity of ZOL. Indeed, data from these large clinical trials suggest that the potential anticancer activity of ZOL may be most robust in a low-estrogen environment. However, this may be only part of the story and many questions remain to be answered to fully explain the phenomenon. Does estrogen override the anticancer activity of ZOL seen in postmenopausal women? Are hormones other than estrogen involved that contribute to this effect? Does the role of bone turnover in breast cancer (BC) growth and progression differ in the presence of various estrogen levels? Here, we present a review of the multitude of factors affected by different endocrine environments in women with BC that may influence the potential anticancer activity of ZOL.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:53 AM   #3
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Re: Zometa inf

Thank you Jackie for posting those - if I am reading them correctly they support the use of Zometa which is what I thought. I am going to try to push my onc to continue with the treatment he said he would try to find the funding as it is not covered.

does anyone here have this treatment without having bone mets?

Thanks again Jackie

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Diagnosed Nov '10 IDC whilst pregnant with 2nd child
Her 2 ++ ER/PR + but weak and patchy 50% + 5%
Left mastectomy Dec '10, 6cm tumour 1 of 2 lymph (micro mets)
Clear margins but lymphovasculer invasion
Stage 3a Grade 3
Fec 100 x 3 Jan '11 Taxotere X 3 and Herceptin X 1yr
Staging scans - CT brain & body and bone - May '11 - NED!!
Start Femara - in chemo induced menapause
25 Rads June '11
Dec '11 Menstruation resumed - zoladex inj monthly and Tamoxifen
Feb '12 Back on Femera and Zoladex
March '12 CT brain & body & bone scan all clear
Zometa x2/yearly
April '12 - Oopherectomy

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Old 07-16-2012, 05:35 AM   #4
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Re: Zometa inf

Do your research and then discus........or inform!
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:03 AM   #5
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Re: Zometa inf

Several members (without bone mets) have used it...

http://her2support.org/vbulletin/sho...ghlight=zometa
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NICU 4.4 LB
Erythema Nodosum 85
Life-long Central Neurocytoma 4x5x6.5 cm 23 hrs 62090 semi-coma 10 d PT OT ST 30 d
3 Infertility tmts 99 > 3 u. fibroids > Pills
CN 3 GKRS 52301
IDC 1.2 cm Her2 +++ ER 5% R. Lmptmy SLNB+1 71703 6 FEC 33 R Tamoxifen
Recc IIB 2.5 cm Bi-L Mast 61407 2/9 nds PET
6 TCH Cellulitis - Lymphedema - compression sleeve & glove
H w x 4 MUGA 51 D, J 49 M
Diastasis recti
Tamoxifen B. scan
Irrtbl bowel 1'09
Colonoscopy 313
BRCA1 V1247I
hptc hemangioma
Vertigo
GI - > yogurt
hysterectomy/oophorectomy 011410
Exemestane 25 mg tab 102912 ~ 101016 stopped due to r. hip/l.thigh pain after long walk
DEXA 1/13
1-2016 lesions in liver largest 9mm & 1.3 cm onco. says not cancer.
3-11 Appendectomy - visually O.K., a lot of puss. Final path result - not cancer.
Start Vitamin D3 and Calcium supplement (600mg x2)
10-10 Stopped Exemestane due to r. hip/l.thigh pain OKed by Onco 11-08-2016
7-23-2018 9 mm groundglass nodule within the right lower lobe with indolent behavior. Due to possible adenocarcinoma, Recommend annual surveilence.
7-10-2019 CT to check lung nodule.
1-10-2020 8mm stable nodule on R Lung, two 6mm new ones on L Lung, a possible lymph node involvement in inter fissule.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:01 PM   #6
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Re: Zometa inf

I have had 2 infusions for severe osteoporosis...
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5/05 suspicious mammogram-left breast
5/05 biopsy-invasive lobular carcinoma with LCIS,8mm tumor,stage 1 grade 2, ER+ PR+ Her2+++
6/14/05 bilateral mastectomy, node neg. all scans neg.
Oncotype DX-high risk
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10/05 -10/06 1 yr. herceptin
arimidex-5 years
2/14/08 started daily self administered injections..FORTEO for severe osteoporosis
7/28/09 BRCA 1 negative BRCA2 POSITIVE
8/17/09 prophylactic salpingo-oophorectomy
10/15/10 last FORTEOinjection
RECLAST infusion(ostoeporosis)
6/14/10 5 year cancerversary!
8/2010-18%increase in bone density!
no further treatments
Oncologist says, "Go do the Happy Dance"
I say,"What a long strange trip its been"
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6-14-2015. 10 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!
7-16 to 9-16. Extensive (and expensive) dental work done to save teeth. Damage from osteoporosis and chemo and long term bisphosphonate use
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7-20-16 Prolia injection for severe osteoporosis
2 days later, massive hive outbreak. This led to an eventual dx of Chronic Ideopathic Urticaria, an auto-immune disease from HELL.
6-14-17 12 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:31 PM   #7
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Re: Zometa inf

Hi Jenny, I do not have bone mets and I recieve zometa twice a year and my bc bs covers it. I do hope yours will be covered too.
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