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08-13-2008, 11:52 PM
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Calcium - Magnesium Combo
Can anyone tell me the recommended ratio or dosage of magnesium to calcium for adequate absorbtion?
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*** MARYANNE *** aka HARRIECANARIE
1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen
2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy
2007:
6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
Femara
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08-14-2008, 01:33 PM
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Bumping this up for Harrie, and also because I have an interest in this very same question.
Chelee
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DX: 12-20-05 - Stage IIIA, Her2/Neu, 3+++,Er & Pr weakly positive, 5 of 16 pos nodes.
Rt. MRM on 1-3-06 -- No Rads due to compromised lungs.
Chemo started 2-7-06 -- TCH - - Finished 6-12-06
Finished yr of wkly herceptin 3-19-07
3-15-07 Lt side prophylactic simple mastectomy. -- Ooph 4-05-07
9-21-09 PET/CT "Recurrence" to Rt. axllia, Rt. femur, ilium. Possible Sacrum & liver? Now stage IV.
9-28-09 Loading dose of Herceptin & started Zometa
9-29-09 Power Port Placement
10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
7-7-10 Recurrence to RT axilla again. Back to UCLA for options.
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08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
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Hi Harrie
I have a liquid supplement of 600 mg. calcium, 300 mg. magnesium,
300 mg. phosphore and 400 UI vitamin D3. This is per tablespoon
and I take two tablespoons per day.
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PinkGirl
Dx Aug/05 at age 51
2cm. Stage 2A, Grade 3
ER+/PR-
Her2 +++
Sept 7/05 Mastectomy
4 FAC, 4 Taxol, no radiation
1 year of Herceptin
Tamoxifen for approx. 4 months,
Arimidex for 5 years
Prophylactic mastectomy June 22/09
" I yam what I yam." - Popeye
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08-14-2008, 03:47 PM
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I have to take magnesium because of all my problems. I won't tell you how much, because the amount is determined by my weekly blood tests. What I can tell you is that magnesium will give you diarrhea if not paired with protein. I order the magnesium w/protein through the Miller Pharmaceutical Group. You can also get magnesium through pumpkin seeds and by soaking in Epsom salt. I shower (wish I had a tub), so what I do is put a stopper on the drain, pour the salts on the floor of the shower and shower as usual.
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Maryann
Stage IV Inflammatory BC 1/00
Mod Rad Mastectomy 24nod/5+
Adriomycin Cytoxin Taxol
Tamoxifen 4 1/2 yrs
Radiation - 32 x
Metastatic BC lung/liver 10/04
thorocentesis 2x - pleurodesis
Herceptin Taxatiere Carbo
Femera/Lupron
BC NED 4/05
chemo induced Acute Myeloid Leukemia 5/06
Induction/consolidation chemo
bone marrow transplant - 11/3/06
Severe Host vs Graft Disease of liver
BC mets to lung 11/07
Fasoladex Herceptin Zometa Xeloda
GVHD/Iron overload to liver
Avascular Necrosis/morphine pump 10/10
metastatic brain tumor
steriotactic radiosurgery
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08-14-2008, 06:03 PM
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Now Madame you really have impressed me.
If anyone could turn a mere shower into a soothing
bath.....it would be YOU!
hugs,
Jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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08-14-2008, 07:23 PM
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Thanks Jean. I am a walking wealth of stupid facts. Since this cancer/leukemia thing, I've directed my brain to learning all I can to staying around as long as possible!!! I don't always remember it all, but it is there for me to forget....
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Maryann
Stage IV Inflammatory BC 1/00
Mod Rad Mastectomy 24nod/5+
Adriomycin Cytoxin Taxol
Tamoxifen 4 1/2 yrs
Radiation - 32 x
Metastatic BC lung/liver 10/04
thorocentesis 2x - pleurodesis
Herceptin Taxatiere Carbo
Femera/Lupron
BC NED 4/05
chemo induced Acute Myeloid Leukemia 5/06
Induction/consolidation chemo
bone marrow transplant - 11/3/06
Severe Host vs Graft Disease of liver
BC mets to lung 11/07
Fasoladex Herceptin Zometa Xeloda
GVHD/Iron overload to liver
Avascular Necrosis/morphine pump 10/10
metastatic brain tumor
steriotactic radiosurgery
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08-14-2008, 07:43 PM
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My dear you are my hero!
Your open inquiring mind...always thinking outside the box, I say someone should set you loose in a research
lab and all our troubles might be over.
Jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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08-14-2008, 09:18 PM
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Calcium - Magnesium combo
Aloha,
I take prescription powdered calcium and magnesium mixed with warm or hot water for absorption plus extra Vitamin D. The calcium amount is twice as much as the magnesium, so if a person takes 1000 mg of calcium he or she will get 500 mg of magnesium. In addition to helping the body absorb the calcium I read that magnesium may be able to lower high blood pressure.
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08-16-2008, 04:19 AM
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I'm in France. Here's what I'm on:
I take 2 pills of Magne B6 three times a day (sanofi aventis)
apart from the magnesium, I take 1 or 2 (if 2 with time between them) pills of Oracal D3 (Merck) mainly only 1 at bedtime
this is what each box says:
magne B6: each pill
lactate de magnesium dhydrate ......470mg
chlorhydrate de pyridoxine................ 5mg
la teneur total en magnesium-elemnet est de 48mg (1,97 mmol)
Oracal D3:
carbonate de calcium............1250 mg
calcium element ................... 500mg (really amount I'm getting)
concentrat de cholecalciferl.....4mg
vitamin D3..............................400
I do know that magnesium must be taken separately from the calcium - before the calcium, separated by hours and that D3 is important. I live in a very sunny area and I still take D3 so it's not just about sunlight I assume.
Also because the Femara is eating my bones, I take a bisophonate twice a day away from food, taken only with juice, called Clastoban. I have difficulty remember this but when I'm good, my bones improve.
Also in my case the fear is the breast bone will be the next target.
hope this all helps
stay strong, keep healthy, be happy
sarah
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08-16-2008, 04:54 AM
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Epsom Salts without a bath!!
Another way to benefit from Epsom Salts is to fill a plastic tub or container with warm water an Epsom Salts at the end of the day. You can read, watch TV, check this website, or work on a craft while you refresh your feet with with the benefit of receiving some magnesium. I never thought about this secondary benefit when I have felt the need to soak my feet. Thanks for the tip Maryann.
Barbara H.
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08-17-2008, 06:08 AM
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Here is some useful information on calcium and magnesium.
Arguably we are removing magnesium sources (whole foods dark greens etc whole grain seeds and nuts) and increasing calcium with high levels of dairy.
"Even though dietary surveys suggest that many Americans do not consume recommended amounts of magnesium, symptoms of magnesium deficiency are rarely seen in the US. However, there is concern about the prevalence of sub-optimal magnesium stores in the body. For many people, dietary intake may not be high enough to promote an optimal magnesium status, which may be protective against disorders such as cardiovascular disease and immune dysfunction [7-8]. "
Magnesium
Office of Dietary Supplements • National Institutes of Health
Table of Contents
Magnesium: What is it?
What foods provide magnesium?
What are the Dietary Reference Intakes for magnesium?
When can magnesium deficiency occur?
Who may need extra magnesium?
What is the best way to get extra magnesium?
What are some current issues and controversies about magnesium?
What is the health risk of too much magnesium?
Selecting a healthful diet
References
Reviewers
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp
This is useful on magnesium and calcium and put in very straightforward terms
http://www.drlam.com/a3r_brief_in_do...umandAging.cfm
And these are calcium recommendations for the military
1000mg/day
In the Dr Lam article at the bottom looks at advantages of a lower calcium intake.
There are reasons why calcium is less available to plants in the natural un farmed environment (although it is more of the earth's crust than magnesium). Magnesium may be better retained in the soil and so more widely available. Plants do their best to balance their needs and appear to have more calcium than magnesium. Whole from a quick check wild grains and nuts are high in magnesium. Wild marine products appear about balanced.
Factors Affecting soil Ca Availability
Calcium is found in many of the primary or secondary minerals in the soil. In this state it is relatively insoluble. Calcium is not considered a leachable nutrient. However, over hundreds of years, it will move deeper into the soil. Because of this, and the fact that many soils are derived from limestone bedrock, many soils have higher levels of Ca, and a higher pH in the subsoil.
* Soil pH: Acid soils have less Ca, and high pH soils normally have more. As the soil pH increases above pH 7.2, due to additional soil Ca, the additional "free" Ca is not adsorbed onto the soil. Much of the free Ca forms nearly insoluble compounds with other elements such as phosphorus (P), thus making P less available.
* Soil CEC: Lower CEC soils hold less Ca, and high CEC soils hold more.
* Cation competition: Abnormally high levels, or application rates of other cations, in the presence of low to moderate soil Ca levels tends to reduce the uptake of Ca.
* Alkaline sodic soil (high sodium content): Excess sodium (Na) in the soil competes with Ca, and other cations to reduce their availability to crops.
* Sub-soil or parent material: Soils derived from limestone, marl, or other high Ca minerals will tend to have high Ca levels, while those derived from shale or sandstone will tend to have lower levels.
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08-27-2008, 11:49 PM
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RB,
Thank you for posting that article.
I am taking about 940mg of mg per day. I wonder if that is too much. It is rather hard not to because it is all included in my vits, calcium, and TriFlex from GNC.
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*** MARYANNE *** aka HARRIECANARIE
1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen
2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy
2007:
6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
Femara
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