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Old 09-23-2008, 11:04 PM   #1
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bad mood blues

I am in a bad mood - an emotional wreck - crying crying crying. I am helping my daughter get settled into her first apt for her second year of college. I never thought I'd live to see this moment - and was sobbing in Pier 1 today (in front of both her and her sweet roommate.) I explained that I was remembering back to watching the two of them on the soccer field when they were little kids. I told them I felt so blessed to have this moment with them. So honored to be asked to help with the apt decorating and moving.

But-but-BUT- all week long I am not feeling well. Everytime I travel I can barely get through each day. My 8 thousand pills to deal with my 9 thousand side effects. Needing this or that. This week I cut my Tykerb dose down to 3 pills a day. I wanted to feel better! To have more stamina and not need to keep a restroom in my field of vision. It didn't even really help. This constant chemo is getting to me and there is no end in sight. I am sick and tired of it. Sick and tired of not being myself - or not knowing how to deal, alone, with this new self.

Yet I am complaining when I really have nothing to complain about. I logged on here tonight to see what support I could lend and instead I feel more upset with every post of bad news that I read.

I know you are all fighting like mad, too. I am sending us all a big hug. Good night.
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1996 cancer WTF?! 1.3 cm lumpectomy Er/Pr neg. Her2+ (20nodes NEGATIVE) did CMF + rads. NED.
2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.

3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:11 PM   #2
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:00 AM   #3
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Oh Flori...
I am so glad you took the time to vent.
It is an emotional time everytime we send out kids back out there. I am sure that just compounds the emotions and stress you are enduring with your treatments.
Hang in there my friend. Maybe it might help screaming at the top of your lungs into a pillow.
No matter where you are, remember you are always cared for and loved for who you are.
Much aloha to you,
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1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen

2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy

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6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:07 AM   #4
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Hi Flori,

I'm so happy you took the time to vent too. Often times it's just what we need - to get it out and then we can move on. And what better place to "vent" then here where we all "get it!"

Flori, moving your daughter into her apartment and thinking back over all you've been through....realizing how fortunate you are to be here to witness it all.....is enough to put anyone over the edge. Then throw in the mix....all the meds and side effects.....WELL sweet lady......you have every right.

I hope you wake today with a refreshed soul and a new found vigor to fight the fight.

Asking God to hold you close this day and to give you His strength, peace and joy.

Love to you......

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Old 09-24-2008, 05:59 AM   #5
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Flori,

You are a true hero to me. I often marvel at your ability to take things in stride and just keep fighting. You have been dealing with this disease for so long, of course you are sick and tired of being sick and tired. On top of that your daughter has done exactly what you raised her to do - become independent and now is ready to move forward into adulthood. I know the pride and at the same time, sadness you feel; I have two of my own out there finding their way.

I pray that you find the strength you need to regroup and continue the fight with the same absoulte determination you always show. I know you will; you are amazing.

Much love to you,
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Tumor 2.2 cm, Stage II, Grade 3, Sentinel Node biopsy negative
ER+ (30%) /PR+ (50%), HER2+++
AC X 4 dose dense, Taxol X 4 dose dense
Herceptin started with 2nd Taxol, given weekly until chemo done
then given every 3 weeks for one year ending on March 16, 2007
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Aug 2008 - Feb 2012 Zometa every 6 months
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:03 AM   #6
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Flori, we all need to vent and we all feel emotional at times. You have been fighting this for so long that I know it is difficult for you. Just remember that it's that constant fight, no matter how hard or how exasperating at times, that enabled you to be there with your daughter and help her get ready for her journey, no matter how emotional you felt. Keep up the fight honey. There's always a rainbow after the storm.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:31 AM   #7
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Flori:

You have been through so much for so long that I think you have earned the right to be down and to have an occasional meltdown. Give yourself permission to feel sad. If the blues stretches out over a couple of weeks or even months, then you may want to get to your cancer counseling center and they may have an intervention to help you out.

Remember, if your body is sick, you go to a doctor. You should treat your mind and your emotions the same way.

Flori, remember you are not alone. We are on your side. You will be in our thoughts and prayers.

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Sentinal node biopsy and lymph node removal with 3/18 positive in October 2007
4 TAC infusions
lumpectomy March 2008, bad margins
Re-excision on June 3rd, 2008 with clean margins
Fitted for compression sleeve July 16, 2008
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Starting radiation October 1, 2008
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:31 AM   #8
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I hear you Flori

I hear you saying you just need a chance to regroup. I can't imagine how I would feel with constant chemo, but I'm sure it wouldn't be much different than what you are currently feeling.

I remember being 8 hours into labor with my first child and I just couldn't get anyone to understand that I just needed a break for a little bit, and then I'd plod on...didn't happen, of course, but for that brief moment I honestly thought someone would listen to me.

Since you're not sure how to deal with all of this alone, please let your friends/family help in any way that they can. Maybe it's just listening, maybe a night out, a movie, whatever.

My late mother-in-law taught me an interesting and profound lesson. I was always taking care of the kids, the house, whatever (with help and support for my husband) and was pretty self-sufficient. She taught me to allow others (her) to help so that they could feel better. Maybe a pot of homemade soup, doing laundry when my left wrist had some surgery, etc. It's true, I'm happiest when I feel I'm helped someone or made their day a little better. I think you should allow your friends to feel better too!
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:55 PM   #9
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Flori morning glory...
I hope you got a good night's sleep. The constant fighting to keep going, let alone "feel yourself" is draining, I know. I'm glad, also, that you came here to vent. See, you were not alone after all.

Although it's harder to feel it, the cyber hugs and prayers can sometimes, if we hold very still, be palpable.

I think it's possible to feel gratitude for the medical miracles I am beneficiary of AND still wish it would all go away.

I would want to be myself, too - especially if I was as awesome as you. Pay attention to that, and see if you can get some care for your spirit as well as your body.

Much love
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9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial

5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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Old 09-24-2008, 03:45 PM   #10
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Smile Flori - its good to vent

let it all go girl that is what we are here for.

I know exactly what you mean and like all of us can sympathize.

After almost 13years of this myself, this has been the hardest year on me yet. I feel tired all of the time, aching, down and weeping. they finally started me on Lexapro and that seems to be helping me. I never thought I would be one to be on anti-depressants My nurse explained to me that after so many years of constant chemo, the seratonin in our brain can become affected causing some of these side effects. You might ask about it. It's a very small pill and very easy to take. I take before I go to bed.

You have had a lot on your plate so do not feel bad venting.

I wish you good luck and hope you start feeling better soon. The combo you are on is a very good one.
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1996 - INFILT DUCTAL CAR.W/ LYMPH NODE INVOLVEMENT. ADRIA/CYTOXIN/5FU
1999 - RECURR. TO AUXILA AND 2 TUMORS IN LIVER
TREAT: STEM CELL REPLACEMENT/HERCEPTIN.
2002 - RECUR TO LIVER
TREAT: NAVELBINE, THEN GEMZAR, THEN XELODA.
2004 - TUMORS STILL IN LIVER
TREAT: RFA TO LIVER
STABLE UNTIL
2004 - TUMOR PROGRESSION IN LIVER.
TREAT: RESECT HALF OF LIVER.
2005 - RECURR TO LYMPH NODE OUTSIDE OF LIVER.
TREAT: TAXOL/CARPO/HERCEPTIN. FAILED ON
THIS TRIO. STARTED ON ABRAXANE.
2006 - PROGRESS WITH 2ND TUMOR GROWTH.
TREAT: AUG. BEGAN ON TYKERB/XELODA
TRIAL. CONSIDERED STABLE TO DATE.
2007 - TAKEN OFF OF TYKERB/XELODA TRIAL DUE TO
PROGRESS STARTING TYKERB/AVASTIN.
NOV 2007 - SCANS SHOW PROGRESS TUMOR GROWTH
IN ABDOM. AND TWO NEW TUMORS IN NECK AREA.
BEGAN HERCEPTIN/AVASTIN/TAXOTERE
Feb 08 - Ixempra/Xeloda
June 08 - Her/DM1 trial

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Old 09-24-2008, 05:26 PM   #11
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Flori
I can feel your need to vent....you are not alone in this struggle....with the enthusiasm that we let go, we have sorrow...it is bittersweet....top all these emotions with endless chemo it is no wonder you are feeling down...just remember the old saying, when the going gets tough, the tough get going....and you have proven that over and over again...as much as we hate it, for many of us here, chemo and constant treatment has become a way of life....not that we wouldn't give anything to be what we once were...but like many things we cannot change, we seem to be able to find solace...peace in what we are dealt...we get mad, then we move on...we are only human, and this disease takes it's toll, so vent all you need to, tomorrow will bring more sunshine into your life, and strength to continue the fight...
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Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
Pericardial Window Surgery to Drain Pericardial Effusion
7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
10/6/10 Begin my miracle drug, TDM-1
Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
2/2011 I CELEBRATE my 9 YEAR MARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
2/8/2012 Gemzar stopped, Continue Herceptin
2/20/2012 Begin Tomo Radiation to Neck Nodes
2/21/2012 I CELEBRATE 10 YEARS
5/12/2012 BeganTaxotere/ Herceptin is my next miracle for new node progression
6/28/12 Stopped Taxotere due to pregression, Started Perjeta/Herceptin
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:03 PM   #12
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I hope you get some good rest tonight. I'm sure it was emotional enough watching your daughter move out on top of everything else. We all need some place to go and someone to listen to us when we need to vent. I think everyone of us on here understands how you are feeling and wish we could be there in person to give you a hug. Take a deep breath and keep fighting, this disease can be so damn exhausting, it's like we never get a total break from it. I'm praying you get to feeling better soon ..sherryg683
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:02 PM   #13
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Hi Flori! I know you probably had hundreds of memories flash through your mind as you helped your amazing daughter and her friend settle into her apartment. Her first steps, the first time she stumbled and split her chin on the coffee table, the time you comforted her when she broke up with her a-hole boyfriend at age 14, and remembering her and her friend's soccer games, and even the snacks served that day. All those memories come rushing back to you all at once. Time really flies, and everything comes rushing at you so fast, sometimes. And now,,,,she's pretty much a grown woman, in her second year of college. You thought you'd never live to see it, but you have. You have. You are an amazingly strong woman,, Flori, and, at times, we all falter, and feel weak, and God knows, I do not know what it actually feels like to undergo chemo., but I've been around it alot and I know it can be pure he**, so I know that you are more than entitled to vent, sweetheart. You hang tough, sister, and let us know how we can help. Love, Bill
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:33 AM   #14
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Thank you all so very much. You just get it. Love Flori
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2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.

3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:48 AM   #15
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Flori,
I understand and I don't blame you....but I admire you greatly. Remember how many of us look up to you and try to think positive.
I also remember how it felt when my kids moved out every fall to college - it is the right thing to happen but I was always lonesome for them after they were gone.
Hopefully, some rest will help. I think you should do something nice for yourself.....something to perk you up.
Good Luck
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Old 09-25-2008, 09:43 AM   #16
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I get these too. A memory similar to yours brings it on. Just uncontrollable sobs. or the thought that I will not have another day.

I tell eveyone around me. let me cry. too bad. i need to cry.

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Old 09-25-2008, 10:30 AM   #17
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Smile You Are Never Alone. Never...

Flori, Flori, morning glory, if you don't feel like glowing today, you are more than entitled. I will love you any way I can get you. You are so very special to me.

I hear you. Why? Because a year after I was first dx, my dghtr became pregnant after 4 yrs of marriage. She was so elated. Me too, naturally. I was in NY and she in Boca. The fact that I would live to see such a moment, maybe to welcome my first grandchild ( in 6 mnths time)was beyond awesome. I felt like total crap! Physically was a wreck of a person. But I traveled to Fla to help Ali (my first baby) shop for her first baby layette. It was my honor! I did thank God for sustaining me and enabling me to reach such a momentous occasion. But, but, but (as you say) -- I was dizzy, light-headed, weak-kneed, utterly fatigued and really shaky. Still she drove and I went. I did not complain. I didn't cry. But I kept thinking (greedy me) WHY CAN'T I JUST FEEL *NORMAL* SO I CAN FULLY ENJOY THIS HAPPY TIME? I am human.

I hear you, my Friend, my Sister Flori. You've surely earned the right to cry, to be overcome with emotion at such *joyful* times, the firsts of our lives. And good for you for venting away here. Very healing. Cathartic! We can take it. Go on, feel free to rant away... We all get it.

Try to think of taking your 8 thousand pills as you nursing yourself to wellness. Personally participating in creating a ca free you. Try, try, to think of the 9 thousand side effects as indications of what the drugs are doing -- eradicating your ca. Please, sweet Flori, smile, through gritted teeth if you must, and KNOW that there will be an end to your feeling sick and tired. You are inching your way to the Light at the end of the tunnel. You have a clear goal. You are working hard as any human Being can to get to that place we all want to be at.

I fully relate to being sick and tired of talking about feeling sick and tired. I bet each one of us can.
BTW, I have suffered from IBS since Taxotere ('98). I take various pills to help the situation. I have the nearest bathroom within sight at any given moment, no matter where I am. I have felt like I was being stalked at all times. Terrified I wouldn't make it in time. Hating bathroom drama, yet praying the drama would be confined to the local john.
But I have accrued some great meds that have let me live a more normal life. I dare say I am close to normal now, 10 yrs later. I will happily share my remedies w/you if you'd like (to speed your process of being closer to normal). I know you hate pills. I think we all do. But sometimes pills can be your friend.
I love my Zoloft (anti d). The stomach is where our 2nd brain is. I read that somewhere. My gastro guy concurs. When my mind is relaxed, my belly becomes mollified. I love my energy boosters. I love Imodium. I love probiotics. I love Fennel seed pills. Bottom line -- there is always hope. Things will get better. Maybe slowly (bummer) but surely (which is the good news)! Don't lose focus on that reality, honey.
I can feel your body as I wrap my arms around you. I can see you and me sitting on the sage couch in your lovely home, chit chatting and dreying (tehe). With copious amounts of LOVE, Andi

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'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:30 PM   #18
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Flori -
Oh sweetie, I hope you are feeling better today. You are so brave, and have been through so much...
Keep your chin up, dear Flori.
We all have those moments (days,weeks...) You are more than entitled.

gentle hugs to you.

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Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08

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Old 09-25-2008, 05:35 PM   #19
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Flori,
Don't take this the wrong way, and if I offend you please ignore it and just remember all my responses to you are offered out of love.

And besides, I have a low grade fever and headache myself from that DM1 slappin those suckas down, so I'm not in my right mind.

I know you feel crappy and when you feel that way, it's hard to keep your spirit from following.

But when I reread your thread subject, my little twisted mind just immediately thought we SHOULD WRITE some blues around all this stuff. You done so well with the DM1 rap, after all!

Maybe this would belong on the Keeping Your mind off cancer forum...can't be more scary than Sheilas commemorative thread!

So here goes:


Those d#$n orange pills keep me low to the ground...
Sista, I know ALL the finest restrooms in town...

Just wanna feel normal...whatever that be...
Can't even remember the last time I was me...

I keep pluggin' in to all that HER2 news...
But sometimes I can't shake those bad chemo mood blues....

Got thousands of pills, give me fevers and chills...
Got stadiums full 'o doctors...and drawers full of bills...

I ask 3 oncs and get 5 different opinions...
Thank God for the propellerheads and their Her2 minions...

Huggin lovin and prayin - they all give me the truths...
We're all cryin and laughin through those bad chemo blues...


Dedicated to all the wonderful sisters and brothers here. Especially you, Flori

Much love
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9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial

5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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That was wonderful. Flori, you just keep hangin' in there. By the way, is it you that loves hot air balloons?
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Jan. 26- mammogram and ultrasound- suspicious lump
Mid-February- lumpectomy, infiltrating ductal carcinoma ~4.5 cm and a 1 cm DCIS, did not get clear margins, did not check lymph nodes
ER+/PR+, her2 +++, nuclear grade 3 of 3
February 20-PET scan showed something on liver. No biopsy.
March- Started carboplatin, herceptin, taxol on a four week cycle
May 3- Pet scan, with intent to do a biopsy, found nothing, liver or breast- no biopsy because there is nothing to biopsy
June 21- new onc, very concerned that there had been no biopsy,
June 18th-CAT scan, bone scan-negative
August 7th - Brain MRI-negative
August 9th- mastectomy, all pathology negative
January 2008 still NED! New oncologist -herceptin for full year after chemo- until July, and tamoxifen---negative scans since May '07
July 2008-Finished Herceptin!
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