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Mandamoo · 03-02-2013, 11:34 PM

Steph - my reading of above is that we are referring to two differing suggestions.
A study published last week about women with hormone negative disease reducing their fat intake by 20% having reduced rate of recurrence.

The other is in relation to using ketogenic diets to starve cancer,
"Dr. Seyfried recommends a specially-formulated low-calorie “ketogenic” diet consisting of 80% fat, with the rest (20%) being made up of protein + carbohydrate." so the two suggestions are polar opposite really. unless you reduce your caloric intake so much that 20% less is 80% of your intake!

I have been looking more at the paleo style diet which reduces carbohydrates from refined sources considerably - it is a no grains diet and a no dairy - it seems to tie in nicely but the ketogenic diet is more extreme. I think there is a lot to be said, the more I read about eliminating grains from diet - both from an inflammatory point of view and a carbs fuelling cancer perspective. I think we all vary enormously in how our bodies respond to food just as we do with medications so it is likely that one diet does not suit all. I personally wonder if the reduction of 20% in fat intake corresponds with weightloss which impacts insulin resistance issues for many women thereby assisting in reducing recurrence.
If only it were clear!
A x

03-02-2013, 11:34 PM	#6
Mandamoo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 432	Re: Ketogenic Diets for Cancer Steph - my reading of above is that we are referring to two differing suggestions. A study published last week about women with hormone negative disease reducing their fat intake by 20% having reduced rate of recurrence. The other is in relation to using ketogenic diets to starve cancer, "Dr. Seyfried recommends a specially-formulated low-calorie “ketogenic” diet consisting of 80% fat, with the rest (20%) being made up of protein + carbohydrate." so the two suggestions are polar opposite really. unless you reduce your caloric intake so much that 20% less is 80% of your intake! I have been looking more at the paleo style diet which reduces carbohydrates from refined sources considerably - it is a no grains diet and a no dairy - it seems to tie in nicely but the ketogenic diet is more extreme. I think there is a lot to be said, the more I read about eliminating grains from diet - both from an inflammatory point of view and a carbs fuelling cancer perspective. I think we all vary enormously in how our bodies respond to food just as we do with medications so it is likely that one diet does not suit all. I personally wonder if the reduction of 20% in fat intake corresponds with weightloss which impacts insulin resistance issues for many women thereby assisting in reducing recurrence. If only it were clear! A x __________________ Amanda xx 40 year old Mum to three gorgeous kids - son 5 and daughters 8 and 11 Wife to my wonderfully supportive husband of 17 years! 22 February 2011 - Diagnosed Early Breast Cancer IDBC Stage2b (ER/PR -ve, Her2+ve +++) - 38 years old (L) skin sparing mastectomy with tissue expander, axilla clearance (2/14 affected) clear margins. Fec3, Taxotere and herceptin2 - stopped due to secondary diagnosis June 24 2011 Stage IV - Skin met, axilla node, multiple lung lesions Bolero3 trial - Navelbine, Hereptin weekly, daily Everolimus/Placebo February 2012 - July 2012 Tykerb and Xeloda - skin mets resolved, Lungs initially dramatically reduced but growing again August 2012 (turn 40!) tykerb and herceptin (denied compassionate use of TDM1) while holidaying in Italy! September 2012 - January 2013 TDM1 as part of the Th3resa trial - lymph nodes resolved, lungs slowly progressing. January 2013 - herceptin, carboplatin and Perjeta (compassionate access) April 2013 - Some progression in lungs and lymph nodes - Abraxane, Herceptin and Perjeta July 2013 - mixed response - dramatic reduction of most lung disease, progression of smaller lung nodules and cervical and hilar nodes - ? Add avastin.