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imdavidson 10-31-2010 01:27 PM

Bone Loss and Alkaline Diet
 
I'm reading a book right now about keeping the body in alkaline-acid balance to prevent osteoporosis. The author believes that when we eat acidic foods such as animal proteins and processed foods, our bodies neutralize or alkalize the acidic effects by taking calcium from our bones.

So to promote strong bones, she advises a diet that is 80 percent alkaline and 20 percent acidic.

Has anyone here had success improving their bone density through this type of diet, versus through taking bisphosphonates? If the RD on this board has an opinion, would appreciate hearing that as well.

Thanks so much!

karen z 10-31-2010 02:03 PM

Re: Bone Loss and Alkaline Diet
 
Interesting Idelle- thanks for posting.

R.B. 10-31-2010 05:07 PM

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HI IMDavidson

Just some quick thoughts.

Clearly refined foods are not going to help because they are nutrient, including mineral, depleted, and replacing them with plant based material is going to increase nutrient and mineral intake.

I have see suggestions that several factors affect bone density, including the Omega 3:6 balance, mineral intake, vitamin D, muscle mass etc.

This paper suggests there is little difference in bone density between Innuit and Caucasians. I have only seen the abstract, but the general position is that Innuit have a relatively high acid food intake.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16311425

J Clin Densitom. 2005 Winter;8(4):409-14.
Ethnic differences in bone mineral density between inuit and Caucasians in north Greenland are caused by differences in body size.

Andersen S, Boeskov E, Laurberg P.


Vegetarians who by definition do not eat much meat may have lower bone densities.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/200...e-density.aspx

I am not suggesting these are authoritative, or that there is not conflicting evidence as to the acid alkali diet question, just that they pose questions, and suggest that the issue is more complex.

imdavidson 10-31-2010 08:03 PM

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R. B., these are both very, very interesting studies, thank you so much for sharing them with me.

Jackie07 11-01-2010 09:47 PM

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Karen Wheel was big on the Alkaline and acid balance in relation to cancer treatment. She has read a lot of books on the subject.

imdavidson 11-01-2010 09:51 PM

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Thanks, Jackie, I'll send Karen Wheel a message about this as I would love to get her take.

Jackie07 11-02-2010 03:23 AM

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Found the abstract of a paper on the subject:


Proc Nutr Soc. 2010 Feb;69(1):166-73. Epub 2009 Dec 3.
Postgraduate Symposium: Positive influence of nutritional alkalinity on bone health.

Wynn E, Krieg MA, Lanham-New SA, Burckhardt P.
University Hospital (CHUV), 1011 Lausanne, Switzerland. emma.wynn@rdls.nestle.com
Abstract

There is growing evidence that consumption of a Western diet is a risk factor for osteoporosis through excess acid supply, while fruits and vegetables balance the excess acidity, mostly by providing K-rich bicarbonate-rich foods. Western diets consumed by adults generate approximately 50-100 mEq acid/d; therefore, healthy adults consuming such a diet are at risk of chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis, which worsens with age as a result of declining kidney function. Bone buffers the excess acid by delivering cations and it is considered that with time an overstimulation of this process will lead to the dissolution of the bone mineral content and hence to reduced bone mass. Intakes of K, Mg and fruit and vegetables have been associated with a higher alkaline status and a subsequent beneficial effect on bone health. In healthy male volunteers an acid-forming diet increases urinary Ca excretion by 74% and urinary C-terminal telopeptide of type I collagen (C-telopeptide) excretion by 19% when compared with an alkali (base-forming) diet. Cross-sectional studies have shown that there is a correlation between the nutritional acid load and bone health measured by bone ultrasound or dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry. Few studies have been undertaken in very elderly women (>75 years), whose osteoporosis risk is very pertinent. The EVAluation of Nutrients Intakes and Bone Ultra Sound Study has developed and validated (n 51) an FFQ for use in a very elderly Swiss population (mean age 80.4 (sd 2.99) years), which has shown intakes of key nutrients (energy, fat, carbohydrate, Ca, Mg, vitamin C, D and E) to be low in 401 subjects. A subsequent study to assess net endogenous acid production (NEAP) and bone ultrasound results in 256 women aged > or = 75 years has shown that lower NEAP (P=0.023) and higher K intake (P=0.033) are correlated with higher bone ultrasound results. High acid load may be an important additional risk factor that may be particularly relevant in very elderly patients with an already-high fracture risk. The latter study adds to knowledge by confirming a positive link between dietary alkalinity and bone health indices in the very elderly. In a further study to complement these findings it has also been shown in a group of thirty young women that in Ca sufficiency an acid Ca-rich water has no effect on bone resorption, while an alkaline bicarbonate-rich water leads to a decrease in both serum parathyroid hormone and serum C-telopeptide. Further investigations need to be undertaken to study whether these positive effects on bone loss are maintained over long-term treatment. Mineral-water consumption could be an easy and inexpensive way of helping to prevent osteoporosis and could be of major interest for long-term prevention of bone loss.

PMID: 19954569 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jackie07 11-02-2010 05:28 AM

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TanyaRD 11-02-2010 06:39 AM

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Bone health is critical after a breast cancer diagnosis. I find the hypothesis of low pH/alkaline diet and bone health to be very interesting. Generally speaking, I have not been impressed by the alkaline diet results in the realm of cancer, especially when promoted and used as sole treatment. The current evidence on the use of alkaline diet in oncology is not convincing and I didn't find much on bone health. I did find 2 opposing articles on PubMed which I thought were interesting. I don't believe the alkaline diet would bring any harm when used for bone health but I would caution that it may eliminate some of the healthy foods we know to have benefit. However, it would also eliminate others that are not beneficial. It is important to note that it is urine pH that is being tested, not blood pH. It is very difficult to change to body's actual pH (blood).

The key elements for bone health that are proven and should be applied no matter which diet you choose to follow are:
1. Maintain a healthy weight
2. Include calcium rich food sources in diet-most women also need a calcium supplement with Vit D 3
3. Have Vitamin D level checked and supplement accordingly
4. Weight bearing exercises-walking is great

Low urine pH and acid excretion do not predict bone fractures or the loss of bone mineral density: a prospective cohort study.
Fenton TR, Eliasziw M, Tough SC, Lyon AW, Brown JP, Hanley DA.
BMC Musculoskelet Disord. 2010 May 10;11:88.PMID: 20459740 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Postgraduate Symposium: Positive influence of nutritional alkalinity on bone health.
Wynn E, Krieg MA, Lanham-New SA, Burckhardt P.
Proc Nutr Soc. 2010 Feb;69(1):166-73. Epub 2009 Dec 3.PMID: 19954569 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jackie07 11-02-2010 07:30 AM

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http://www.congrex.ch/isnao2009/pdf/ISNAO09_FP.pdf

[The file starts with a beautiful picture. Abstracts of the presentation start on page 27. The symposium covered the topics of Vitamin D and the Alkaline/acid effect on the bones - issues we've been discussing here on the Board.]

TanyaRD 11-02-2010 08:06 AM

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Jackie,
This is great. I've had a moment to go through just a few poster abstracts. Thanks for posting. I look forward to reviewing further.

Tanya

imdavidson 11-02-2010 10:06 PM

Re: Bone Loss and Alkaline Diet
 
Jackie and TanyaRD, this is fabulous information and I'm going to save much of it on my desktop to read more thoroughly. Thanks so much!


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