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Kayakr01 02-09-2012 06:40 AM

Gerson Therapy: what is your experience with it?
 
Anyone using Gerson Therapy or aspects of it? Have you tried coffee enemas? Is it working? Not working?

There is a lot of info on the internet and some fascinating documentaries on Netflix about it.

TanyaRD 02-14-2012 11:35 AM

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Bob,
Here is a link that might be helpful.

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/gerson-regimen

StephN 02-14-2012 01:07 PM

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All I can answer is that I know 3 women who used this diet plan and none of them survived their breast cancer.

That does not mean there are those who DID survive - this is just my experience. In the cases I know there was no lasting benefit.

Maybe the research should focus on breast cancer patients as it seems there is use of this plan by other people for various reasons.

Jackie07 02-15-2012 02:39 PM

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Besides the MSKCC link provided by Tanya http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/gerson-regimen, below are two abstracts of research findings on Gerson Therapy:

Oncology (Williston Park). 2010 Feb;24(2):201.
Gerson regimen.

Cassileth B.
Source

Integrative Medicine, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, New York, USA.
Abstract

The Gerson regimen, developed by Max Gerson in the 1930s, is promoted as an alternative cancer treatment. It involves consuming fresh, raw fruit and vegetable juices, eliminating salt from the diet, taking supplements such as potassium, vitamin B12, thyroid hormone, pancreatic enzymes, and detoxifying liver with coffee enemas to stimulate metabolism. Gerson therapy is based on the theory that cancer is caused by alteration of cell metabolism by toxic environmental substances and processed food, which changes its sodium and potassium content. It emphasizes increasing potassium intake and minimizing sodium consumption in an effort to correct the electrolyte imbalance, repair tissue, and detoxify the liver. The coffee enemas are believed to cause dilation of bile ducts and excretion of toxic breakdown products by the liver and through the colon wall. None of these theories has been substantiated by scientific research. Despite proponents' claims of recovery rates as high as 70% to 90%, case reviews by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the New York County Medical Society found no evidence of usefulness for the Gerson diet. An NCI-sponsored study of Gonzalez therapy, which is similar to the Gerson diet, showed that patients with inoperable pancreatic adenocarcinoma who underwent standard chemotherapy with gemcitabine (Gemzar) survived three times longer and had better quality of life than those who chose enzyme treatment, which included pancreatic enzymes, nutritional supplements, detoxification, and an organic diet.


Integr Cancer Ther. 2007 Mar;6(1):80-8.
Surviving against all odds: analysis of 6 case studies of patients with cancer who followed the Gerson therapy.
Molassiotis A, Peat P.
Source
University of Manchester, School of Nursing, Midwifery & Social Work, Coupland III, Coupland Street, Manchester M13 9PL, UK. alex.molassiotis@manchester.ac.uk
Abstract
A considerable number of patients with cancer have used or are using the Gerson therapy, an alleged anticancer metabolic diet. However, there is almost no scientific support for this regimen. Hence, the present case review study of 6 patients with metastatic cancer who used the Gerson therapy aims at critically evaluating each case to derive some valid interpretations of its potential effect. All 6 cases had a cancer diagnosis with poor prognosis. Despite the presence of some confounding variables, it seems that the Gerson regimen has supported patients to some extent both physically and psychologically. More scientific attention needs to be directed to this area so that patients can practice safe and appropriate therapies that are based on evidence rather than anecdotes.

R.B. 02-15-2012 04:08 PM

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Kayakr01

Can you please post links to any information you considered interesting.

I would be interested to read more to see if and how his protocols may fit into a wider dietary picture. My response is pure curiosity as I had not read / have no significant knowledge about the therapy.

I have seen mention of the use by Gerson of iodine, B12, liver (which is rich in vitamin A B12 and folate, flax oil (with exclusion of other dietary fats), and juicing.

Many of us are deficient in iodine, B12 / folate, have Omega 3 deficits and excess of Omega 6.

There is suggestive trials based evidence that lack of iodine. lack of folate, and lack of Omega 3, individually have a role in an increased risk of breast cancer. Omega 6 in excess / imbalance with Omega 3 is also associated with an increase risk of breast cancer, so these may provide some possible mechanisms for claimed benefits of Gerson Therapy.

Coffee enemas - With all the evidence on the importance of fecal bacteria, I wonder at the wider effects of regular and repeated disruption of fecal bacterial and its part in the digestive process, immune function etc. From a Google search there does not seem much science in favor of coffee enemas, and in contrast reports of adverse outcomes. There are other ways of killing bacteria in the gut if that is the aim.

http://www.nature.com/ajg/journal/v1...g2009494a.html

On the the other hand there is some really interesting research on the removal of digestive bacteria of a sick person (in this paper C.difficle) followed by a transplant of fecal material (yes human pooo) from a healthy person.

http://www.rheumatologynews.com/news...3f3be76ff.html

They are looking at potential links to all sorts of medical conditions.

http://www.nature.com/nrgastro/journ....2011.244.html

R.B. 02-15-2012 04:13 PM

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Sorry duplicate so deleted

Paula O 02-18-2012 07:15 AM

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While I was researching my treatment options for multifocal stage 3 her2 positive cancer (the spots looked like swiss cheese on mammo and ultrasound), I took at a look at a whole bunch of alternative medicine approaches. I read Moss Reports, "Cancer: Step Outside the box", "Outsmart your cancer: alternative non-toxic treatments that work", "The "Gerson Way" saw the Dvd "Healing Cancer from the inside out", "The Breast Stays put", etc. I spoke with clinics in Mexico and in the US.A who treated cancer with alternative medicine.

I spoke with 4 woman with breast cancer over the phone (none of them her2) who said their breast cancer was eliminated on Gerson Therapy and one whose cancer had not grown since on it. A couple of them were RNs as I am. One was a spry naturopathic physican who was in her 70s and said she was given a death sentence for breast cancer in her 30s and told she would die in a matter of months without treatment--she did not have a mastectomy, chemo, or radiation--just did Gerson Therapy. She said she was NED all these years later. I also spoke with some folks with other types of cancer (one was pancreatic) who also said they were also NED or improving. I decided to try it before conventional therapy while my immune system was intact. Oh, how I wanted that approach to work! It is a very challenging, intense program and I imagine most people would rather die than follow that approach but not me. I have a friend doing it instead of chemo post surgery for ovarian cancer and she is doing very well so far.


I followed the Gerson Therapy for a couple months while having my breast monitored periodically by ultrasound. There was not much change (mostly stable, slight increase in sizes of some of the spots- after the first four weeks) but it grew more after that when checked 5 weeks later. I then elected to do all the things I hoped to avoid by the Gerson Therapy (mastectomy (cancer in 6 out of 11 lymph nodes), chemo, radiation, Herceptin). I do not regret having tried the Gerson Therapy first--for me personally,I needed to see if it was a tool that God would use. The whole idea of addressing detoxification and nutritional deficiencies is more in keeping with my personal bent to address root causes. However, it did not work for me and I want to live so have altered my approach in this battle and again, am seeing if these things I am doing now are tools God will use. I figure He's the only One who can make any of this stuff work anyway.

The coffee enemas are to stimulate the portal vein and cause dumping of toxins in the detoxification process. I used probiotics to replenish healthy bacteria. I will say, after different times of feeling ill during the detoxification process I felt like I was back in my 20s again. I "FELT" fabulous but the cancer was growing. I am doing some organic juicing now as I am building back up my body, but not the 13/ day I was doing on Gerson.

I wish you the best.

Paula

barbiecorn 02-18-2012 07:46 AM

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I am new here. BMX on 2/1 - Lobular Breast Cancer - HER+ - ER+ PR 0 - I too am trying the alternative way for now - at least until June when my only daughter (child) is getting married. I will be getting all information from onc. and holistic dr. beforehand. I know they say it is best to do something quickly in way of conventional medication but I want quality of life during this wonderful time in my life through June. May I ask how many months from diagnosis to when you had your first conventional treatment?

Paula O 02-18-2012 08:26 AM

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I had the terrible mammogram on 12/30/10 (i year before it was fine), did the follow-up bone scan, cats scans, pets scans right away. Then I prayed, did juice fasting, water fasting, supps, etc while !figured out what to do, then the Gerson Therapy. I had the mastectomy on May 12, 2011.

I was already a very healthy eating vegan for years before all this (non-toxic kind of gal who had mercury fillings in my teeth removed 15 yrs ago, drank out of glass instead of plastic, avoidied chemicals/microwave use etc). I was so shocked to get cancer as I beleived the connection between animal consumption and disease. There was an article that had a big impact on my thinking. It is here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/48996855...y-Webster-Kehr. It makes sense to me. You can cut out cancer, poison it, radiate it, etc but if you dont address the cause, what is to stop it from popping back up, perhaps somewhere else? I did not like taking medicine which could cause other kinds of cancer and had the potential of horrific side effects. The thing is, it didn't work for me and I was not going to go down with a sinking ship.

I know someone who was diagnosed at stage 1 HER2 and her Dr told her she's be stage 4 if she waited the 6 months she wanted to give alternative therapy to see if it would work. She did the conventional cancer treatment right away. I don't know if it was a scare tactic or not. The documentation is there that Her2 can be very fast and very aggressive and very deadly. My surgeon told me that, without conventional treatment, she thought I'd be dead in 6 mos to 2 years. I knew that before trying Gerson. You want to make a careful, well thought-out decision that is right for you.


Paula

barbiecorn 02-18-2012 09:29 AM

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Thanks Paula...I just feel if I have this breast cancer which btw does not show up on mommographies - and I hadn't had one in three years prior - then waiting until June - 3 months is not going to matter much....my dr. told me I am cancer free and this is so that it does not recur....so you waited four months and it came back??? Is that my understanding...my BS said I am cancer free - margins clear no lymph node involvement and yet it can come back in months....am I understanding this right??? Thank you so much Paula for your help...again, I am living a nightmare right now..my daughter got engaged in Oct. I am was diagnosed day after xmas and then DMX two weeks ago...I am trying to feel better from the surgery and get through this wedding without feeling any worse than I do already. I am still in pain from the DMX...sorry, I know I am ranting....((((hugs)))

StephN 02-18-2012 11:45 AM

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Yes, your cancer can still exist in your body as "micromets" and not be visible and too few at this point to show on a blood screening.

If your cancer is HER2 positive there are some targeted treatments you can take, which should not make you feel "sick."

The big gun in our case is Herceptin. Plus there are some clinical trials using more than one drug to target the very complex HER1,2,3 and 4 pathways. This might be all you need.

If you wait you may not be eligible for something like I am talking about, and you risk the cancer moving along.

barbiecorn 02-18-2012 01:41 PM

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Just a terrible diagnosis with this HER2+ - Have there been anyone that has had no treatment and is still alive with this HER2+. Anyone on any of these postings???

Paula O 02-18-2012 05:37 PM

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Hugs backatcha, Barbie. I know this is hard. How wonderful yours was caught so early--very much in your favor.
I had the mammogram Dec 30, 2010, the biopsy a following week, then tried nutiritonal therapy and the mastectomy was May 12th 2011 (so 4 1/2 mos after diagnosis) followed by chemo and radiation. Herceptin (every 21 days for a year) will go til June. To the best of my knowledge I am doing terrific now in the cancer department.

I'm sorry you are going through all this too--right in the middle of the happy, busy occasion of wedding planning.

Even though I really, REALLY didn't want to do the mastectomy, chemo, Herceptin and radiation route I am glad I did it (would have loved to have been a poster child that there was a better way to avoid all that but it was not to be) . Honestly, the prognosis stats are very favorable with conventional reatment and terrible without.


Paula

Laurel 02-18-2012 06:36 PM

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Barbie,

A dear physician friend who is battling prostate cancer called me when he heard I was diagnosed with Her2+ BC. Like you I really questioned the need for such aggressive treatment. Chemo for such a small tumor? Are they nuts? He told me Her2 is deadly and hyper-aggressive, that it can grow like wildfire and waiting months is folly. His final advise was this, "hit it as HARD you can the first opportunity you get." He told me that I should never want it to return, because it is always more difficult to battle under those circumstances. I was very fortunate that mine was found early and not in my lymph nodes. As you can see from my signature I chose to fight it through all the conventional treatment, but what you do not see is that I have embraced alternative treatment as well with supplements.

I wish you good luck and my advise is NOT to wait, but to put your head down and walk the path that is before you. Do the chemo and Herceptin if that is what your Onc advises. The year is over before you know it and you will be glad you fought it with all you had at the first opportunity presented. If you don't and it spreads you will live with the "if only I had....."

barbiecorn 02-18-2012 09:02 PM

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Thanks for your concerns.

Paula O 02-19-2012 04:43 AM

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Dear Barbie,
Boy, you are among people here who understand the emotions you are feeling!!!!! It can feel overwhelming at times. My heart goes out to you.
I can honestly say I gave Gerson Therapy "my all"--it was not a half-hearted attempt and there was "no cheating". I followed it to a "T" except for a couple minor things which were more hypervigilent than even that program was. It is a non-stop, extremely intense program getting in 13 freshly pressed (2 step process--not your standard juicing and has to be fresh each time) organic juices per day plus the meals, supplements, and the rest of the detox process. If I remember correctly, I consumed the equivalent of 20 + pounds of fresh organic produce needed per day for juicing and eating. My family and friends helped me with washing those mounds of veggies, juicing, etc. Here are some examples of things I did differently than the specified program: probiotics---I did not want to do 5-6 coffee enemas/day without replenishing healthy bacteria and so I took acidophilus, bifidus, etc probiotics--like Culturelle which isn't on the program. I distilled my water into glass bottles instead of buying it in plastic. I also used a friend's home infrared sauna to try and raise body temp, sweat, and remove more toxins through the skin which is not on the program but if you go to their Mexico clinic there is some heat therapy I think and saunas are included in many other alternative medicine programs (NOT good though if you've had lymph node removal though--would be a big risk for lymphedema. Too bad--wish I could use a sauna to help me detox from the chemo, etc) . I am starting to explore what my detox options are but right now I do not want to interfere with the Herceptin I am getting until June. I would be very interested in hearing what kinds of things people are doing for detox. Laurel and others--can you share specifics?
Anyway---you are talking to someone who, despite my doctors and some others thinking I was crazy to do what I did, did it anyway. The truth is, Her2 pos cancer can kill people quickly. Some breast cancers are slow growing but not this one. There is a risk involved in delaying treatment while trying other things. You might want to take that risk and you might not. I did it while monitoring the cancer by ultrasound--my cancer-laden breast was my "check engine light" for how it was working and I was very sad and disappointed that it did not work for me. Even though the therapy is difficult (worst thing for me personally was oral and rectal castor oil every other day) I would have gladly stuck to it if it had worked but it did not for me. I felt like I would "kick myself" if I did not give it a try. I am very, very thankful that conventional therapy is going well for me thusfar. This whole cancer thing is rough stuff and I am hanging onto the Lord's Hand real tight.
If you are interested, here is a link to my blog: http://jpoliver.com/wordpress/ If you follow the right side down, you can see the archives beginning in January of last year--you might enjoy poking around . I had ZERO peace about jumping right into conventional therapy: honestly, I had very little confidence in it--thought it might kill me before the cancer did. Man, did I ever struggle and wrestle over conventional therapy--I could hardly bring myself to do it. I had read so much negative about conventional therapy and so much positive about natural-medicine material over the years and was totally convinced that the natural/non toxic approach was the way to go. I am a nurse (no longer working in that field now) and I have held the hands and cared for patients dying of cancer who did every last thing their doctors had told them to do. I esteem quality of life very highly. I witnessed people trying to eek out a few more months who spent it in agony in hospitals. I even gave chemo to some of them. Even though it was long ago that I was doing hospital nursing, I wasn't sure so much had changed over the years. Actually, now I've been through all this and have done more research, I see that Herceptin has made a world of difference in the outcome for many women (not all, but many) and certainly there are much better medications to help with things like nausea with chemo . This board is full of courageous women who are fighting with every tool they can. Gerson Therapy was the tool I chose first. I wish it worked for me but it didn't.
The bottom line: the cancer is in our bodies--we listen to what the "experts" say and then each get to choose what we think is the best match for ourselves.
Rooting for ya,
Paula

barbiecorn 02-19-2012 04:58 AM

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So am I to understand you did not do a BMX first or any surgery first and just did the Gerson Diet?

I have had a BMX on 2/1 - the cancer is gone at least in the breasts - it was removed surgically - no node involvement - I know that some cells may still be hiding somewhere...I am aware of that - I am not opposed to Herceptin - That may be the way to go for me...I am going to onc. on March 5th and will discuss with her Herceptin - as far as chemo - from what I read, it only helps breast cancer in 1.5% of patients not to have a recurrence. I know they give chemo with Herceptin - is that no longer than 12 week theory for treatment because of the chemo? Something else I have to ask my oncologist - Herceptin may be in my future. Thank you Paula for taking the time to explain.

cheery 02-19-2012 06:38 AM

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Thank you Paula for sharing. It is certainly very insightful.

Paula O 02-19-2012 09:54 AM

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Barbie,
I guess I don't know what a BMX is. I though "Bx" was an abbreviation for biopsy and the M was for mammary or something but maybe I'm wrong. I had a biopsy (of one of the multiple tumors and one of the lymph nodes) along with CT scans, PET scan, etc and that was it before I began Gerson Therapy. I did get to speak with Charlotte Gerson herself over the phone, told her I was Her2 positive, etc and asked her if she recc I did a mastectomy before starting GT and she did not.

Paula

NanaJoni 02-19-2012 02:23 PM

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I use "bmx" for bilateral mastectomy. Not sure if that's a standard for others.

Mtngrl 02-19-2012 03:02 PM

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From the link Tanya posted, it looks like Gerson has been pretty thoroughly investigated and debunked.

Remember, "the plural of anecdote is not evidence." Why anyone would make a life-or-death decision, in a field where there's a huge amount of scientific investigation and evidence, on the uncorroborated say-so of one or two strangers, is beyond me.

The liver and kidneys detoxify our bodies. That's their function. As Tanya's article says, it can be very dangerous to succumb to quackery in a misguided attempt to help them do their job. The modern obsession with "toxins" seems kind of Medieval to me. They used to think diseases were caused by marsh gases or emanations of mysterious origins.

The best ways to boost your immune system are rest, stress management, a healthy (but sane) diet, and moderate exercise, like walking. Do all those things, but lay off the coffee enemas.

In 1992 Barbara Bradfield was on her way to Mexico in a last-ditch attempt to treat her Stage IV HER-2 positive cancer when Dr. Slamon called and talked her into participating in the first Herceptin clinical trial. She has been NED ever since then--20 years. (She says she now does anything Dr. Slamon tells her to do.) I know that's an anecdote too, except that a lot of people have followed in her footsteps. There is a mass of data on this.

Mandamoo 02-19-2012 08:26 PM

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Amy - as ever a calm voice of reason - thank you.

StephN 02-19-2012 11:17 PM

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Barbie wrote:

"as far as chemo - from what I read, it only helps breast cancer in 1.5% of patients not to have a recurrence."

I can't imagine where this could come from. If chemo only helped 1.5% of BC patients not to recur hardly anyone would get chemo!

This figure is FAR from correct. Also, the statistics are so outmoded now, with Herceptin and the other drugs we now have, just don't pay attention to them!

And it is my studied opinion that detoxification will not CURE an aggressive breast cancer that is already out of the box, so to speak. It is on the march - maybe slowly - maybe faster - we are all a little different.

However I believe in detoxing to take the load off your liver and kidneys. It will help you through what ever treatment you decide to take. But one does not need to go to the lengths Paula describes unless you have been a real sloth, and feel a need to make up for lost time. (I am sure Paula was not a sloth, had other agenda.)

Many of the members here have done a lot in cleaning up their diet and general mode of living in order to give themselves a better fighting chance to stay cancer free once the treatment was finished.

You will manage and all will be well for the wedding. There have been other women on this site who had the same situation - precious weddings coming in tandem with breast cancer treatments. You will find the way to take care of your self as well as your family.

ElaineM 02-20-2012 03:25 PM

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The Gerson Therapy was developed a long time before the newer treatment choices that are available today.
I like what Steph wrote about many of us improving our nutrition and making better choices in our diets. I think that helps alot.
I have improved my diet little by little over the years. I still continue that today. It might take a little more effort than just putting something in a microwave, but I still cook the old fashioned way. 95% of my food is cooked from scratch on a stove or eaten fresh. I am also careful about salt, sugar and fat when I choose foods. I use a blender to make fresh juices after washing and cutting up the ingredients.
As far as detoxing is concerned there are other more pleasant ways to detox than coffee enemas. Healthy homemade vegetable juice blends through a liquid diet for a day or half a day is probably one way.
I think coffee can be dehydrating if it is taken our used in excess. Dehydration is not good for anyone. Coffee is meant to be enjoyed through the mouth and digested through the normal digestive process.
We have alot of resources available to us today. I think it is fine to choose parts of a diet plan that meet our needs and leave the rest alone. I would leave the coffee enemas alone, but I might try a couple of the Gerson recipes that are healthy, well balanced nutritionally and taste good.

R.B. 02-20-2012 04:30 PM

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Paula 0

Thanks for you post which was a fascinating personal insight.

No wonder you did not take to the castor oil - wikipedia says in Italy under Mussolini "Political dissidents were force-fed large quantities of castor oil " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil


Jackie07 02-20-2012 06:55 PM

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http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2012/02/popular-diets.html

[Gerson is not listed in this brand new article written by the dietician at MD Anderson - proof it's no longer 'popular'. As Amy has said after reading the link provided by Tanya: "Gerson has been pretty thoroughly investigated and debunked."

Paula O 02-20-2012 10:07 PM

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IMHO, although the Gerson Therapy did not work for me , it does not mean that it (and other alternative therapies) never works for others. Yes, there is quackery out there because of people wanting to gain financially from desparate folks with cancer but I personally don't think all alternative cancer therapy is a hoax.


As I shared, I spoke with women with different types of breast cancer as well as some stage 4 folks with cancer in different areas of their bodies who did Gerson Therapy (and over the years I have personally known people who chose other natural approaches) who told me they have followed up with testing and are NED or stable and doing great. I see no reason for them to have lied to me about the success of the program in their case: they had absolutely nothing to gain or prove to me. I'm sincerely happy for anybody who has no evidence of disease whether they get there through non-toxic alternative therapies or conventional treatment.


Here are a few links that might be of interest for discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJYQ...69D4C85B0690C9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lbs8...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BY9U...eature=related

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/beautiful-truth/

Paula

ElaineM 02-21-2012 10:56 AM

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I don't think anyone here is saying (or writing) that alternative therapies in general don't work.
If we are interested in exploring therapies other than what has been suggested by our medical team we should try to learn as much as we can about those alternative therapies as we can before we start.
Most of us also know that conventional therapies don't work for everyone either.
Those who shared links probably did so in an attempt to help us learn about the Gerson Therapy from various sources. Other people may be sharing information about their experiences or the experiences of those they know who tried the Gerson Therapy. This tread is an open discussion, not an attack on the Gerson Therapy.
I have the Gerson books. My cousin who tried the Gerson Therapy sent them to me. Unfortunately she passed away of breast cancer 8 years ago. The Gerson Therapy did not work for her either. Some of the recipes look interesting, but I would never try the coffee enemas.
Personally I try to learn as much as I can from several sources about both conventional and alternative therapies I am considering before I start any therapy.
Doing that has helped prevent or control most problems with those therapies.

Linda Whittle 02-21-2012 11:59 AM

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I have just been been dignosed with her-2-positve brest cancer with lymph involvement and one spot on my liver. I am reading your post's each day . Thank-you so much you give hope to us all.

Mtngrl 03-03-2012 03:38 PM

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When I said "debunked" I did mean to criticize it, though of course I'm not saying all alternative and complementary therapies are invalid. I had never heard of Gerson before I read the information Tanya posted. Here's an excerpt:

Adverse Reactions
Common: Flu-like symptoms, loss of appetite, perspiration with foul odor, weakness, dizziness, cold sores, fever blisters, high fever, tumor pain, intestinal cramping, diarrhea, and vomiting. (The Gerson handbook claims that these adverse reactions are indicative of response).
Common (metabolic diet): Nutrient deficiencies (calcium, vitamins D and B12, protein), anemia, and malabsorption may result from metabolic diets.
Reported: Campylobacterfetus sepsis caused by the liver injections was reported in 13 patients using the Gerson therapy between 1980-6; liver injections were subsequently eliminated from the regimen. Coma from low serum sodium (as low as 102 mEq/l) occurred in 5 of these patients.
Coffee enemas cause electrolyte imbalance, which has resulted in serious infections, dehydration, colitis, constipation, and death.
Case Reports (Coffee enemas): Case 1: Multiple seizures and hypokalemia leading to cardiorespiratory arrest, coma, and death were reported after excessive use of coffee enemas (1-4 per hour) for a number of days. Case 2: Death attributable to fluid and electrolyte imbalance causing pleural and pericardial effusions after use of coffee enemas, 4 per day for 8 weeks.

In other words, it can kill you. Electrolyte balance is important. Too much potassium and not enough sodium--bad idea. Not enough protein, also a bad idea. Too much Vitamin A, a fat soluble vitamin, also a bad idea. It can give you cirrhosis of the liver.

If we were really so vulnerable to "toxins" as this kind of "health" theory proposes the entire human race would have died out long ago. I think the reason we feel better when we eat lots of fruits and vegetables is we evolved eating enormous amounts of vegetables, plus fruit when we could get it (plus "free range, grass fed" meat when we were lucky enough to get that.) It's not because they "detoxify" us, it's because they're nutritious.

Jackie07 03-06-2012 03:43 AM

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Oncology (Williston Park). 2010 Feb;24(2):201.
Gerson regimen.
Cassileth B.
Source
Integrative Medicine, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, New York, USA.
Abstract
The Gerson regimen, developed by Max Gerson in the 1930s, is promoted as an alternative cancer treatment. It involves consuming fresh, raw fruit and vegetable juices, eliminating salt from the diet, taking supplements such as potassium, vitamin B12, thyroid hormone, pancreatic enzymes, and detoxifying liver with coffee enemas to stimulate metabolism. Gerson therapy is based on the theory that cancer is caused by alteration of cell metabolism by toxic environmental substances and processed food, which changes its sodium and potassium content. It emphasizes increasing potassium intake and minimizing sodium consumption in an effort to correct the electrolyte imbalance, repair tissue, and detoxify the liver. The coffee enemas are believed to cause dilation of bile ducts and excretion of toxic breakdown products by the liver and through the colon wall. None of these theories has been substantiated by scientific research. Despite proponents' claims of recovery rates as high as 70% to 90%, case reviews by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the New York County Medical Society found no evidence of usefulness for the Gerson diet. An NCI-sponsored study of Gonzalez therapy, which is similar to the Gerson diet, showed that patients with inoperable pancreatic adenocarcinoma who underwent standard chemotherapy with gemcitabine (Gemzar) survived three times longer and had better quality of life than those who chose enzyme treatment, which included pancreatic enzymes, nutritional supplements, detoxification, and an organic diet.

[Claims made by M. Gerson 32 years ago:
Physiol Chem Phys. 1978;10(5):449-64.
The cure of advanced cancer by diet therapy: a summary of 30 years of clinical experimentation.
Gerson M.
Abstract
Thirty years of clinical experimentation has led to a successful therapy for advanced cancer. This therapy is based on the concepts (1) that cancer patients have low immuno-reactivity and generalized tissue damage, especially of the liver, and (2) that when the cancer is destroyed, toxic degradation products appear in the bloodstream which lead to coma and death from liver failure. The therapy consists of high potassium, low sodium diet, with no fats or oils, and minimal animal proteins. Juices of raw fruits and vegetables and of raw liver provide active oxidizing enzymes which facilitate rehabilitation of the liver. Iodine and niacin supplementation is used. Caffeine enemas cause dilation of bile ducts, which facilitates excretion of toxic cancer breakdown products by the liver and dialysis of toxic products from blood across the colonic wall. The therapy must be used as an integrated whole. Parts of the therapy used in isolation will not be successful. This therapy has cured many cases of advanced cancer.]


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